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30 August 2009

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Do you think that OSK underbid the FMTV contract on purpose? I have heard that they were very aggressive with their bidding and hope to increase margins on the contract through engineering change proposals, similar to what BAE did. I don't exactly understand how these work but it seems that if the army (or OSK through a proposal) decides to change the structure of the vehicle for some reason down the road, OSK can charge extra for that at really attractive margins, since they already have the contract. They were banking on this.

Does this claim have any merit? If so, how much do you think they could have underbid the contract for?

Strictly speaking, I don't know that Oshkosh underbid. It certainly underbid BAE Systems, but whether it underbid its own costs (in the absence of anticipated change proposals) is yet to be proven. All the same, I'll have a bit more on this in a few days.

there are two issues that i don't understand...

if i am correct, bae (formerly s&s) are using suppliers that they have developed, and those that are traditionally in the ohio/indiana/michigan automotive complex. Does transportation costs have much of an impact on cost work up? costs for transportation for heavy stuff (like used in these trucks) have skyrocketed in the rest of the manufacturing base Are any of the major components in the fmtv truck family GFE? such as engines?

second, the serious fraud office is reliably expected to issue a formal charge against BAE shortly in regards to alledged big big kickbacks in the al yamani omnibus contract between bae and the saudi government during the thatcher premiership. is there some hidden reluctance of us defense department to be potentially entangled in that mess?....and if bae is forced to make a huge payment to uk government to avoid prosecution, has that forecast been taken into account in bae's overhead burden on a new fmtv bid/contract....the numbers certainly look like it....the uk is certainly absent tooting the horn for bae on this protest as far as i can tell.

i was by that plant in sealy a few days ago, and there must be 500-800 finished trucks in the yard....there is little activity taking place....NONE OF THE TRUCKS HAVE SERIAL NUMBERS STENCILED ON THE BUMPERS....have they not been sold off to the army for some reason, and still are the property of bae?...we used to see multiple convoys of low boy trailers with two each of the fmtv trucks going away from the factory in each direction on I-10..the factory is not on a railhead, so that didn't happen...is there a quality, spec conformity, or NFE (not fully equipped) issue going on?..usually you can see them running around the test track, but it is dead silent down there...

Bill,

You raise several interesting points. I'll respond as I can.

Transportation costs are definitely meaningful in automotive manufacturing, with such a high fraction of parts sourcing, and considerable weight to those parts. For that matter, the whole truck itself gets shipped from the factory to bases all over the US and around the world, so whether that factory is in Texas or Wisconsin, there will be freight to pay. If the program office is paying this, but not figuring the difference into the source selection, then the finished goods freight costs wouldn't matter. Shipping parts around would show up, so Oshkosh may be getting an economic edge from its location in Wisconsin. All the same, these costs wouldn't make up for the nine percent difference in price. After all, there are automotive factories all over North America, and that many of the vehicles sold here are built overseas, and people make money on that. So, transportation costs matter, but they're not decisive.

Next, while a great deal of the content in each FMTV comes from government-nominated suppliers, I don't know about major GFE items. There's clearly an economic difference if the program office doesn't take account of freight, regardless of who's paying, but I'm not sure. As for the engine specifically, it's a Caterpillar, but I *think* that it's just a directed item, and not GFE.

Like everyone, I've heard the rumors about the SFO's pending charges. I must say, though, that I doubt that the Army took this into consideration, or cares to do so. Without charges filed, there's not much that the source selection authority could legitimately do in that regard--or even should. Also, since this was a fixed-price contract, there's no reason to adjust BAE's overhead calculations. Neither a low bid on the FMTV nor a big fine would break the company, even if it cost BAE's shareholders a bit.

I do think, incidentally, that it would be markedly unfair to tag the culture at BAE L&A in the US with some of the charges that have been leveled about the ways of doing business at that particular aircraft unit in the UK. Whatever the merits of those charges, these are two very different organizations, with completely different corporate heritages. I'm not at all suggesting that as your intent. Rather, I'm just pointing out that the Army Department seems to consider the people at BAE, at least in the US, as an relatively upstanding lot. (Well, at least for us people in the defense industry.)

Lady Thatcher used to "go to bat for Britain" in military export sales, but I'm not surprised that Gordon Brown's government aren't going to bat on this one. First, at best, they'd be batting for Texas and some shareholders with UK passports. That's not likely to be a vote-winner vis-a-vis the Tories this spring. Besides, the MoD and the UKT&I Office have bigger fish to fry right now.

As for trucks possibly awaiting acceptance, that's hard to say. I don't know at what point the serials get stenciled, but hundreds of trucks awaiting shipment could suggest that the government found a systematic problem during post-production inspection. BAE and the program office publicly discussed a possibly similar FGI problem late last year, so this could be troubling. If the test track is not running, then it's possible that the quality issue can't be completely resolved without a test track run. That could be lots of things, but it's probably not a complaint about some unevenness in the clear coat.

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